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Suiscide vs. Martyrdom
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What is the differance between the two? You're willingly giving up your own life either way. To a kid in their bathroom with a razor blade their reason to die is as valid in their mind as someone willing to die for their religion or state. I don't promote either but wonder where the line is drawn. What do you lot think? |
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I think that people can be killed by another person and be considered a martyr. I think the only qualifications are dying for a religion or political belief. You can either kill yourself or let someone else. Either way it's stupid. Once your life is over, it's over. At least if you're alive, you can make changes to your life. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to ever commit suicide. 
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on 2006-05-13 18:52:34 (edited 2006-05-13 18:53:15)
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God has giving you life. Sorta like a game, you play until there is nothing else to do. Now people will say, there's no point in life, meaning no point in living because life has destroyed their minds, or their minds are overridden from other people or other religious purposes. Gothic Type people are always talking about these things, but only the 100% type Goths. Either way, god has giving you a life, and you should do all you want, no let me rephrase. Reach the limits of your life, until your body won't be able to keep up with you anymore. Even if you say life is pointless, or you say you want to kill yourself for 80 sum years, it's better then just killing yourself, when your like 20 years of age. I get really UPSET WITH F***ers who kill innocent babies or very young kids. Their is no point into doing that! But life is life, and death is a part of it. There's no avoiding that, but the afterlife will be so much sweeter! *Interesing discussion, Doctor?! ß)* 
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I'm sure the mindset behind the two is really the same. Aren't both really a last resort? |
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on 2006-05-13 19:10:28 (edited 2006-05-13 19:10:52)
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With suicide, somebody maked the decision to kill themself With martydom, somebody makes the decision to kell themself because the believe in something. Either way, that somebody dies. Personally, I think it's the same thing with a diferent name. Death is something that should happen spontaneously. It's not something that has to be looked for. In conclusion, there is no diference.     |
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martyrs don't always plan on dy ing for a belief. In truth,all soldiers who pass away in wars are Martyrs,however they didn't necesarily PLAN on dying. They fought. S uicide on the other hand,is something I disagree with entirely. I'm not gonna say that the people who think about/commit s uicide are weak,because they usually are strong minded people,but I'm not gonna say they are martyrs either. |
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on 2006-05-13 19:27:46 |
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Martyr's (cool way to say it, Murderers) kill people for something that they believe in. Sometimes revenge, or even just for discusting pleasure. Then idk what you call a cereal killer, their basically brothers? but Cereal killers go on sprees, murderer's sometimes just kill one person then months later kill another (in a different town, or state even).
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on 2006-05-13 22:30:29 |
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*has a sneaking suspicion this could get locked for being a bit close to the "Life vs. Suicide" thread.* In my mind, Martyrdom is dying for a belief that is beyond you. Suicide is dying for a belief that is beneath you. As far as mindset... one is probably defeatest, the other victorious. Uh, Devils-Angel,... Martyrs don't kill people, they are themselves killed. Killing other people has nothing whatsoever to do with Martyrdom. |
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You know, it might get shut down. Who knows. Until then; I like Daedalus' point. He put it most elloquently. But, still I ownder,does either one have any more or less worth? To the induvidual, the cause is just as valid although the end results are the same the causes are entirely opposite like Daedalus said. So I wonder, does a martyr have, or deserve, any greater respect than someone who commits suiscide? Aren't they really the same thing,in essence? |
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DaedalusMachina
on 2006-05-13 22:36:54 |
| Well... that really depends on the 'how' aspect of it, I guess. There's usually a death in order to make something happen, like dying for your country, or jumping in front of a bullet to protect somebody. |
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It's said change is only brought about by the most extreme of actions. I can think of no greater extremity than the sacrifice of one's life. I suppose youcould also compare the two as an action of last resort. Courses of action for those who feel all ohter roads are denied them. |
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DaedalusMachina
on 2006-05-13 22:55:06 |
| I guess it comes down to the meaning and difference between the words "sacrifice" and "waste" |
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Very good point. Once again, this whole thing seems tobe a matter of interpritation. What's a waste for you is the ultimate honour for another. Dulce et Decorum est pro patria mori I suppose... |
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DaedalusMachina
on 2006-05-13 23:02:39 |
| I guess the question should be asked "Are they trying to accomplish something, or are they just trying to end it all because they can't take it?" |
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Well, in both cases it could be seenas a release so yes and no. I mena, the martyr is dying to help further his cuase and free others like them for what they see as oppression from and outside group. A suiscide-er (? what do you call them?) would see what they were doing as a release from what they viewed as the surpression of themselves and/or society as a whole right? If that were so, then they apear to be equal again. |
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DaedalusMachina
on 2006-05-13 23:11:29 (edited 2006-05-13 23:11:53)
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| The "others" and "themselves" it what separates the two. Selflessness versus Selfishness. (Suicidal) |
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But whether or not you intend toserve the many or the induvidual taking your own life is the most selfish act a person can take part in. Seperating along a line of moral selflessness seems rather arbitrary when you consider all roads lead to a wake. (not that I'm trying to argue with you I find your points very interesting.) |
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DaedalusMachina
on 2006-05-13 23:20:54 |
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(Argument is the highest form of conversation there is, Doctor) Okay, going back to the example I used before... jumping in front of a bullet to prevent it from hitting somebody else... is selfish? |
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@Daedalus That depends. How does the person handle your death? If they feel guilty or responsible that you're death is on their hands does that really seems so selfless? To force another with that type of emotional burden? |