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Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-29 10:09:16 (edited 2006-05-29 10:10:42)
For those of you who watch adult swim on Saturdays, you know what I'm talking about. For those of you who don't, I'm talking about Ghost in the Shell.

Anyways, there are things about that show really interested me. Whenever I get into a conversation the future of technology, this thing always comes up. In Ghost in the Shell, cybernetics has gone a long way. People can get arm and leg replacements that work just like their old ones. They can also have thier brains replaced with machines that work just like a brain. This is called being cyberized. You can even transfer out of your body into a compelety artificial body.

Being cyberized, you have the advantage of linking yourself to the net, or using your brain to command machines via your interface. Once I got into a discussion on the future of gaming. One person thought it would be holographics. It seems like a good idea, but it most likely be expensive, and hard to use. (to start out with). A better solution would be nural links using the tech I just mentioned.

There are many posibilities with cybernetics, and I was curious about other people's opinions on the subject.

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Bloodlust Angel Of Death Kel on 2006-05-29 11:32:20
It's possible that technology could advance to that point but the real thing that bothers me a lot is when man tries to play god and make clones of themselves when we just know the clones are going to be taking over the man themselves. That's why the Matrix scares me that could very well happen.

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-29 13:08:14
hmmm, very complicated, yet I understood every word Critic, lol. I do know what your talking about. Cybernetics, linking, are maybe just a few possibilities of the near future. Not necessarily, im speaking of one's mind, but maybe idea's for the future of technology. Cyberlinking to another person's mind can be dangerous because of virus and what not, but if this is related to computers, would their be like anti-spyware and stuff, ya'know, to protect your mind from Virus, Worms, and any other type of danger?

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-29 15:48:40
I guess... I'm sure there will be problems and complications like anything else.

I was curious about what your thoughts on it is. I thought it would be quite interesting, whe whole cybernetic thing.

But some people I've talked to find that kind of future scary. Some are worried about de-humanizing and all that.

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-29 15:56:17
Well anything is possible, I guess Cybernetic Communication could be a future idea, but the whole thing about making it ACTUALLY happen in real life, seems very difficult, yet technology these days, have improved its speed in creating new things.

I don't want..worms in my head though, lol!

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by taishi on 2006-05-29 17:32:13
THIS is indeed a grate topic, I myself would like to have a cybernetic body, think about it. IT would really revolotionize the health industry. BY that I mean that if you have a cyber body, then would you need a doctor? since I surmise you would have no physical health problems. COME to think of it it might end the industry, you might just need a theck person to make adjustments to your body.

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-29 17:33:31 (edited 2006-05-29 17:34:31)
This is only a rumor, and I haven't heard much detail on it, but I have heard that they have successfuly develped a nural interface. I'm told the machine is bulky and very large, but it works.

Right... instead of doctors, we'd have machanics...

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-29 17:48:40
Come to think of GITS (Ghost in The Shell), what if they create those Kawaii, Tachikomas. Those are AWESOME, their voices if you haven't noticed, are other character's voices from other anime of course. I don't know any of em, but one of 'em is on the tip of my tongue.

This is only a rumor huh....well, from 'my guess', it'll be a long time for this to happen. They should hire the creator of GITS to help them out since he made an anime about it, only if it wasn't his idea. Androids, Tachikomas...lol. We already have Mechanics, but instead, we'd have new Mechanics who are advance in knowledge and intelligence and know much about this Cybernetic Technology World. I think it was Japan, when I saw this show of some sort on tv where they had a Robot moving on it's own. Maybe that can be Point #1 of the Future?

*gomen if im getting a little bit of topic*

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-30 09:14:31
... I see...

I don't know about that, the way technology advances these days, its hard just to keep up. You have to be a real tech buff to know what's going on. Therefor, if we are advancing in technology that fast, then we can probably expect to see something like this in the near future, along the lines of a decade or so I'd wager...

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-30 16:40:24
If what you and I said was true, about Technology and Experience Minded Mechanics are quickly rising in their speed to create new things in life, then wouldn't there be a bad side as well. Who know's, Tax-Rise, mroe money?, enemies will begin to take shape, or we might get into other warfare because of this New Technology being created.

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-30 18:40:43
Maybe, but that would just be another problem inherant to the situation, one I'm sure people could overcome with time...

What's important about that is that we don't destroy anything important in the process.

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-30 18:47:19
Agree. I remember in another thread, I doubt it wasn't on this site, though I wasnt a member (only a forum post'r here on Gendou.com), but anyways, they were talking about Gundams being created and someone replied and said something about that being too dangerous. I also agreed, though my opinion didn't matter (I wans't a member, lol). Like a good quote was stated in Gundam Wing Endless Waltz, some guy said a line like...

As long as mankind exists, there will always be battles..

Gundams would just add to the mixture.

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by riezawa on 2006-05-30 18:56:05
Cybernetic bodies are fine and all, but from watching GiTS it appears that the cyberbrains are easy enough to duplicate, and to hack into... So basically the brain itself becomes no different from a computer hard drive, information in the brain becomes obsolete; personality can be changed just using the skills of a hacker. And when the mind can be copied and edited to make a new 'personality', what use will there be for 'original' human minds? Doesn't that mean (theoratically) with technology's progression we are making ourselves more and more unneccesary?

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-30 18:59:45
haha..Gundams...Herro Yuu of Gundam Wing, hehe...FINALLY someone else's opinion, NO OFFENSE Critic, we had a nice compicated hard to keep up for me conversation there pal!! lol!!

I guess what you saying is true, minds are like harddrives, but like I said on a few posts before, what if Anti-Spyware (but dont call it that) something similar to that, was created to prevent this type of "hacking"!? 8)

*this is a nice thread, I've revealed my more, big words of usage self today, lol!*

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-31 18:22:57
In reality, I'll agree, mobile suits would be quite destructive, though I doubt we'll ever see them in real life... back to the topic at hand now...

You have a good point about the human brain. However, I think that a person is far to complex for anyone to safely alter. I don't we can even understand the brain which means if did create a machanical brain, it only be a copy of the original, and since the nural patterns of a brain, (that is, the nural pathways) are unique like a fingerprint, it would be difficult to hack.

Like I said though, you have a good point. But would that mean humans would end up unneccesary? I don't think so, though I couldn't really be sure.

One interesting thought is if we completely left our bodies behind and existed as something else as a result of being able to be transfered out of a body.

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-31 18:32:26
That's almost like Androids with REAL human brains. The body can be destroyed but the brain must be removed and all memories, date, etc... in that particular brain, would be under safe hands.

Though like I said before, with a great idea, there's someone in the world, and yes ther is ALWAYS someone, who will try to conquer it, and rile it under his/her own free will for his/her own benefits!

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-31 18:45:48
... Eh... okay...

What do you think of transfering yourself to the net?

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-31 18:47:58
WOW!! that's an interesting topic.

I think it would be kinda neat, ya'know to roam around, and seeing the internet as if it was like a trip the Mall or something but also I can say it will also be dangerous too. The internet is a safe place, but not 100%. It could leave you open to something that can corrupt your mind of some sort.

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Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by Jinseta Ava on 2006-05-31 19:10:27
I think in Ghost in the Shell, your mind would descentagrate if you stayed too long on the net, but there's no way to know what would happen. My guess is we'd have an understanding of the net to recognize any dangers in it, but yes, it would probably be dangerous.

The Paper

Re: Living in the Shell?
Link | by devils-angel on 2006-05-31 20:27:52
Indeed it would be, but what if... you had a protective barrier. I think those are involved in GITS (ghost in the shell). They shield off hackers and virus's. I forget what ep. it was (though they never do reveal the ep. #!!) when this guy was hacking into people's mind or something. He had a symbol of a blue face. *damnit I forgot!!*...

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