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Are the mind and the sprit one?
Link | by zukokyolover on 2007-06-25 11:22:40 (edited 2007-06-25 11:39:12)
i belive that the mind is different than the sprit. when i say mind i mean like intelegence, ability to problem solve etc. i belive that when you die your spirit leaves your body and moves to a baby. i also think that your memories are carried with your spirit along with your temperment and other behaviors specific to you. for example, my mom told me that i said something beyond my age when i was three, then she asked me how i knew what i had said. she told me i responded, "i am an old soul". of course i dont remember any of this conversation. so what is your opinion and have you ever experienced something similar to a reincarnated spirit or ghost?

Re: Are the mind and the sprit one?
Link | by gendou on 2007-06-25 11:51:37 (edited 2007-06-25 11:51:55)
my opinion is that supernatural and superstitious beliefs are a part of human culture that is no longer useful.
in the evolution of human culture, explanations were given for unexplainable events.
now that science can explain almost all observable phenomena, with exceedingly few exceptions, there is no particular reason to hold on to this primitive vestigial culture of belief in the supernatural.

souls and ghosts do not exist. these concepts are human inventions.
when you die, the self you experience now will no longer exist.
it is, of course, easy to prove the nonexistence of the soul through simple argument.
if we did have a soul, so did our ancestors, and their ancestors, but what about our ancestors so far back they would be unrecognizably human? what about our common ancestor with the flat worm? do all living things have souls? if so, what about the first proto-lifeform? did it have a soul? does a soup of organic compounds have a soul?


furthermore, i find it abusive and wrong for parents to perpetuate these untruths by teaching them to their children.
scientific explanations for things such as a child having a clever idea are available.
in particular, young people have insightful ideas often because their thought process is unhindered by what is "common knowledge" to an adult. sometimes common knowledge (coincidentally, as in the case of the soul and ghosts!) can sometimes be wrong.

i call for people to move away from the supernatural, and embrace the natural world, which is much more interesting and beautiful.


Re: Are the mind and the sprit one?
Link | by Mystic Deadman on 2007-06-25 15:10:51 (edited 2007-06-25 15:11:59)
But sometimes it is the supernatural and the unexplainable that thrill the human mind. Stories of Santa Claus fascinated children decades ago and still do to this day. It's the belief that some things cannot be explained that make our world seem so much more exciting. The idea that a tiny woman who would pay for a lost tooth can make even the most mundane moments of our life seem that much more worthwhile.

To discredit ideas such as the existence of a soul or the existence of ghosts is to merely crush the hopes that something more is out there.

Certainly science can explain almost all observable phenomena, as you put it gendou, but what about that which has no explanation yet? Would it be wrong to cling to ideas that you may have, no matter how ridiculous they sound?

Would it be wrong to say that every living creature, from the primordial soup of eons past to the liger, has a soul? It sounds that discrediting these ideas means that we are nothing more than empty shells shackled to this world by our own perceptions of what is real, and what is simply something that could not possibly exist. I'd like to think of all life on earth as something more than that.

Re: Are the mind and the sprit one?
Link | by Sprity on 2007-06-25 18:26:27
o.O I'm not sure how either of the posts above me answer the question asked, however they bring up an interesting discussion with opinion.

To answer the question asked and ignoring my opinion for the momment, yes I have. In my current house actually and it hasn't just been me. Currently the 'activity' in the house has died down to virtually nothing however when we first moved in their were undeniable sounds and crazy erratic dropping of tempature. Also things would go missing and then reappear in random places, or not at all.(I'm still missing a BRIGHT orange retainer).

What I said above hasn't been my only run in but the rest tends to be alittle sticky because of A what I believe and B the fact I'm hyper sensetive to energy. I do believe in reincarnation, however I don't know that if I would reconize an old soul or not. But because I have not encountered such, I do believe that there are those that have and may still be able to access those memories from former lives.

Going to what the other two were talking about I firt have to say that my belief in ghosts/spirits and souls has nothing to do with supernatural. It has to do with my spiritual beliefs. It is easily atriubted to supernatural because of so many ghost stories and such through dramatization. But putting it in a spiritual sense it changes the outlook of things around from stories to an explaination.

I am largely a realist and believe that most things can be explained through science, however there are some things have happened, that I have experianced that simply can not be explained so easy. There are obviously going to still be questions here and there but some of those may never be known do to lack of material to observe.

Overall it makes sense to me, logically it does and something else says so also. I feel I need to somewhat believe in these things because the world and life would simply be to depressing not to.

Re: Are the mind and the sprit one?
Link | by Mystic Deadman on 2007-06-29 12:14:30
The idea of supernatual phenomena is something that cannot be explained and is otherwise impossible for humans to perform. Spirituality is commonly regarded as something along the lines of religious teachings. This is why ghosts are attributed to the idea of supernatural beings.

Now, to actually answer the question, our Dairy Queen is said to be haunted. I know, because I work there. Sometimes, objects will start floating for no reason. There's also nothing to cause the object to float, which creeps out many of my co-workers. I just move on.

Re: Are the mind and the sprit one?
Link | by gendou on 2007-07-02 18:11:43
@megazero: you should read the TRUE story of santa claus!


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