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The Infinate Mind
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by The Crazy Chibi
on 2007-08-05 06:48:12 (edited 2007-08-05 06:48:34)
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I know that the wording may seem strange, but I hope you can understand what I am trying to say. You know that your brain is just a gray hunk of mass enclosed in your skull, right? Even though it's just mass, the possibilities of its usage are endless, like their are no boundaries to it. It can just go on and on until your death, like a sea of knowledge. This is just a theory I came up with yesterday and it's scattered in many directions. If anyone can add their thoughts to this, I will appreciate it.  |
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by Sean 　- 渚音
on 2007-08-05 12:15:45
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Well then, couldn`t you also say a computer is also infinite? I mean, a computer is basically a really big and fast calculator that calculates things according to a given command right? So if its given a command, and other commands are built upon it, does it become a completely seperate command from the original command it was based on? And also, maybe we THINK our brains are limitless, because we don`t know of anything with a higher knowledge level than ourselves. Like, how would we ever know what we CAN`T think of. We will never know of what we can`t think of because its impossible, therefore our minds are limitless, to our knowledge atleast. There has to be something we can`t think of. And there are some things that some people are never going to understand, while others can. For example, most likely a man with an education level of a highschool drop out, will never be able to comprehend the explanation of quantum gravity given by a theoretical physicist. Now even if this man tries for years and years, studying until his death, yet is still unable to understand it, doesn`t it mean he is limitted? But its also impossible to see that the theoretical physicist is UNlimitted, and so this relationship must also apply to our intellectuals also. I understand where you are coming from, yet I`m not in the most absolute accordance with it. Probably because I`m slightly pessimistic and I think humans are pathetic on a cosmic level . (T-T)
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Let me list some facts to help keep this conversation going. Fact : Computers are not limitless A computer's limitations are governed by its processor capabilities. A processor's capabilities depends on how many transistors exist on that silicon die and that means the smaller the transistors, the more transistors you get to fit. We've now moved to 45nm (45 nanometer is how small those transistors are). According to Moore's Law there is a limitation to how small a transistor can get (due to earths laws of physics)hence we will no longer to increase the speeds of processors but instead increase its multitasking capabilities, thus multicores. Anyway, I'll cut the techy talk short since I'm not even sure I'm explaining that right. Computers are limited. Fact : We are using less than 10% of our brain. According to neurologists, a child's brain absorbs so easily at a young age because their brain cells are still alive, well most of them anyhow. But once we get past the age of 8 or was it 10? Anyway, once we get past a certain age, our brain starts shrinking and solidifying which hampers our ability to use more of it than we currently can. So what happens to the rest of the 90% hunk? Scientists say that Einstein was using up to 12% of his brain capacity. So if you ask me, yes the brain has limits, but those limits are due to us not using enough of it. But you need to do this when you're young, before your brain starts solidifying. So if you wanna prove your theory right, you'd have to kidnap some kids, pump them with as much information as possible (which will be difficult seeing how kids love to play and have a short attention span) and then see if you manage to increase their brain usage within a number of years. 
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by Lightning ThunderBird
on 2007-08-06 23:29:34
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Philosophy can't ignore facts, but it also can't be limited to them. We're getting close to two of the most discussed philosophy subjects: the epistemology (or the study on how we achieve knowledge). The discussion comes from 400bC. Parmenides is one of the first philosophers to discuss what is the true 'being', not as living, but as the ultimate existence, above all others, starting to think about the ideal form. (Note - this is unrelated to epistemology, but to onthology, the study of the 'essencial being'. Anyway, that's my start point, because there's got to be one.) Plato uses this parmenidian base to build some aspects of his philosophy, such as the Theory of the Ideas, where our knowledge is delimitated by being only copies of the true-form ideas that transcends our existence. Then Aristotle makes his own statement about it: there are no "true form ideas", nor our knowledge comes from their copy, but there are 10 transcedental categories that can 'label' anything. Thus, here's another limitation. After a time jump, in late 18th century, Immanuel Kant turns his thought again to that subject. Reading Aristotle, he create new categories (13, if I'm not mistaken) to sort out the things that we know, that can be known by going through the subjective 'lens' of time and space. But some Ideas are kept transcedental, ideas such as 'God', 'Soul' and 'Universe' are far wider than the categories, and can't be defined by them. Nowadays, philosophy discusses our mind through different points of view. Philosophy of Language discuss relations between knowledge (and possibility of knowing) and languages, as the words have meanings and values of its own, and the language evolves when you add to it other words, values and meanings, but those are limited by your culture, and there's no way to know if there's a limit to it. And there's also Hermeneutics, that is about how a true transcedental experience - being it an idea, a thought or anything of the sort - can never be truly expressed, because there's the barrier of the time, the social reality, the languages, the subjectivity of the persons involved and all sort of variables that could influence so that knowing anything transcedental can only happen through transcendental experience. Using Hermeneutics (and lazyness, of course) I can tell you that even if we do know what you're talking about, your Infinite Mind Theory, we can never know it as you do, because you see it your own way, a way no one else can see exactly. Now, coming to biologic reality, I question what are the possibilities embedded into those 10% of our brain. Those 90% are able to do what, anyway? What is the evidence into brain usage being directly related to knowledge - or mystical and religious aspects, as science also points out? My own theory about it is that science might end up working with coincidences, because if there is an accessible-within-thoughts-transcedental-reality, science has (an will never have) no evident access to it, so it will only be able to work with its physical aspects, only coincidences to the main unknown fact. And if there is such reality, and assuming that we can't transfigurate anything obtained in it into this existence, because it goes throught lots of 'lens' of subjectivity, and it will be limited by my language possibilities, common knowledge will always be limited to what we all are able to know - given the certain conditions, study, etc; but the subjective knowledge within our minds might be infinite. (And I'll keep this text within my documents. You never know when you'll change your thoughts and forget about what were you thinking some time ago. And this was supposed to be a Quick Reply). |
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everything has a limit. that is my philosophy. as amazing as the human mind is, we can only take so much. as stated earlier, we only use 10% of our brain, but 10% is a number, and it's not far from complete. aka limit.  |
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i don't believe that is true viste, the brain thing, if i recall there has been no scientific evidence supporting that assertion, its just a common misconception. but i do agree with you, everything has a limit, the limits are just sometimes so mind bogglingly huge that they might as well be nonexistent, but the limit is there.  |
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| the 10% of the mind thing. . . think about it for a moment, who says that we are only using that amount of our brain, what is this based on and what science has based this number to be factual or just another theory of misconceptions. think about it scientifically. if the mind is like space and space is ever expanding then what is the limit to that expance? if there is one. interestingly enough i think this is all covered for the most part in the Ghost in the machine theory, you should look it up. |
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well i do agree that our brains can hold up to infity of data (?) but then again, our brains are still mysterious...? ok i think i lost myself what im tryin to say is, we never know what our brains can do... |
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| no your right on target i would say, "I think therefore i am," the brain, amongst other things in this world, has allowed us to grasp and understand unlimited things, the problem is, that we only live for a certain amount of time. if we were able to live as long as our brains could continue to process new information. . . would that make us immortal? theres a question all of its own. |
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Hmm, that immortal thing kinda sounds a bit touchy. I mean, Like GHost in the shell theory touchy. For if we could preserve our mind in a machine, and continue to life, would we have a soul still? That question in itself will shatter religious believes. We would go crazy, because with so many people in the world, and so many choices for ones life to take, it would make everyone panic realizing that they're doing all this for naught, that they aren't being guided by a higher entity into their destiny. But I digress, that's off the topic. You know, the mind is nearly limitless, just as space is. But like space, which cools down as it spreads out, our brains cool down and possibly start misfiring (reasons for why people forget things for a few moments)and so both space and our brain die slowly in a way, never truely obtaining our potential. They say all these powers, like pyschics, telekenises and all that, Can be done by anyone.. The brain's a powerful thing you know. But the problem is we've turned our backs away from it, forgotten how, and now we're just learning about them (from the various cases that have came up). Though that's just capabablity, knowledge, well. that's hard to really tell. I mean, even the smartest computer is only as smart as it's programmed to be. and it's us humans who program them, with shaddy programming of ourselves as it is. And I think they theorize that 20% of that 90% of unused brain mass is for memory storage.
"I am but a mere shadow that wanders these halls." - excerpt line from a poem of mine.
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Ah.. an interesting question. According to neuroscience, the number of neurons in a person's brain easily spans the entire outerspace! The mind itself is complex and it is filled with countless imaginations, thoughts, and feelings. Indeed, the mind houses infinite possibilities. There is never an end to what our minds can come up with. ^^  |
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They say that you'll never use your brain to its full potential even if your iq is 200. 
So I drove into a parking lot one time and saw this person pull into a handicap parking spot. When you think handicap, you think wheelchair and whatever, right? So it just ticked me off when I saw the guy come out of the car perfectly fine. So then I ran him over. |
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well, yeah. IQ is just the absorbution and recollection of knowledge. We could potentially use more then 10% of out brain. We just forgot how. And with our current society, we really don't care. For using more of that would mean having to stop, and concentrate, instead of doing all this rapid fire thinking in our struggle to survive, or get a better quality of life.
"I am but a mere shadow that wanders these halls." - excerpt line from a poem of mine.
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