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Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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by Promethius
on 2009-04-19 20:47:25 (edited 2009-04-19 20:48:40)
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I've been very puzzled about this question for a while. It's one thing to go vegetarian for health reasons. That I understand. But, I can't understand when someone goes vegetarian for moral/ethical reasons. Well, I take that back. To a certain extent I can if that person believes animal cruelty is common practice. But, on a purely moral/ethical standpoint? I just don't get it. Having read some stuff about this topic from Wikipedia (linked at bottom), I've boiled it down to one main question: Are animals moral beings that deserve to be treated the same way as humans? That certainly seems to be the main question. The basic argument is that animals are living/moral/sentient and therefore animal suffering must be put on the same level as human suffering. They don't go into much detail on it, but on what grounds do they justify that animals have moral rights? Because they're alive? How far do we take that argument? All the way to microorganisms? I suppose if we're going to put animals on the same level as humans, does that mean we have to put animals in prison for murder if they eat another animal? And if we lower ourselves down to the animal level, then we have EVERY reason to eat animals because animals themselves do it already. Though, I suppose the argument can be made that we don't NEED to eat animals while animals actually do. In this way, their need to eat each other outweighs our want to eat them. Eh, I dunno. I'm just thinking out loud here. I don't believe in killing animals for fun unless you're going to eat them because then that's just sick, if not the for the animals sake, then for your own twisted mind. I know most of us have been raised to believe in eating meat, but let's try to think outside our comfort zone. Is eating meat right or wrong? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan#Philosophical_foundations |
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Re: Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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on 2009-04-19 21:03:50 (edited 2009-04-19 21:04:55)
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Tastes right to me. 
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Re: Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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on 2009-04-19 22:36:20 |
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I cannot survive by eating greens my entire life. I'd die. I'd also die if I don't eat my meats as well. It's life. I know it's cruel what they do to some animals but seriously what else can you do really? The world is not going to become vegetarians and convert. Not how it works. To answer if it's right or wrong, I'm not so sure. I only know that I eat meat, and I love meat. I don't feel it's wrong. 
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on 2009-04-19 22:37:50 |
There's nothing wrong wid it. It will give u good health.    |
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Re: Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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on 2009-04-19 22:42:55 (edited 2009-04-19 22:50:42)
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Right and Wrong. Your choice which one you follow. Real fact is you won't die even if you don't eat meat. Nor will you get sick, unless you're really a meat eater for life. Then you'll be having hard time eating vegetables only. It's you yourself who'll decide how you plan to take care of yourself. |
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on 2009-04-19 23:45:52 |
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mmm... ive asked someone about this a long while ago and they said: "the animals are actually proud to give nutrients/support to our health..." i think that might be right or so... XD    |
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by yuki the man
on 2009-04-20 01:18:59
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its ok to eat meat^^  |
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on 2009-04-20 02:47:52 |
Well, it's depends on you... but for me nothing wrong with eating meat and it has high protein  |
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on 2009-04-20 05:03:25 (edited 2009-04-20 05:05:30)
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Generally, it's an opinionative question. If you really believe there's ethics in it, it depends on the extent that ethics goes for you. Personally, I don't have a problem with other people eating meat, but I always kinda thought the way it was cooked was gross. Eating animals seemed kinda gross. I let it kinda sync into me, if I was really into being a vegetarian or not for a long time before I did. I dunno, it's a choice I made after a long time of thinking of it. And I'm proud of my decision. I don't have a problem with people eating meat, just people who knowingly support the cruel treatment of animals. If you don't think that's a concern, fine, but that really bothers me, honestly. Sure, you can take that out of proportion on ethics, as you can with anything about ethics, but I generally think humans shouldn't treat animals cruelly because if you know it hurts them, physically see them in pain, that's sick. And, like I said, there's honestly a limit to how much meat you should be eating before it's no longer healthy and is harmful to your body. It's also just environmentally better and beneficial. The area wasted to feed the cows you eat could be used to feed you, plus many, many others besides yourself. It's wasteful the amount of resources are thrown away just to feed these animals and the little production that we get out of it. Also, it tends to be that the way meat is generally cooked is often not healthy and is counter-productive. There's so many other things that come into play on if it's right or wrong, like how it changes the way the world is or even other people. You can't base it off of just the animals, but so many other things just come into line with it.  No one can see inside of your T i r e l e s s M i n d . |
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Re: Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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on 2009-04-20 05:23:58 |
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I think eating meat is not a bad thing...since it is for fulfilling our need for food...^^ But if you kill animals just for fun or unnecessary thing...then it would be a bad thing...   |
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on 2009-04-20 10:30:17 |
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Juuusstt sayyiinn'. We're not primitive and we've got enough land to produce food from and we know how to. We don't really need it necessarily. Unless you have some weird deficiency, then I guess it is a need. ♥ ♥ No one can see inside of your T i r e l e s s M i n d . |
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on 2009-04-20 11:06:30 |
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Actually, meat is a need. We, of the SELF-PROCLAIMED SUPERIOR species that is called homo sapiens, are in nature omnivorous creatures. Our bodies are molded and shaped to accomodate nutrients found in both plants and animals, and the lack of one source means a deficiency in our bodies, leading to an inefficient system. Thus, being a vegan is never absolutely healthy, as those who choose to go against the dictates of nature are bound to suffer from deficiency of those nutrients only naturally found in animals. Also, nutritional supplements are, according to new studies, not that effective in supplying the body with nutrients. It's better to go with the natural flow. Thus, I say that being a vegan due to moral/ethical reasons falls into the individual's hands, but I would like to stress out that it is NOT ALWAYS HEALTHY TO GO VEGAN. There is a reason why our stomach and appetite craves for meat. Also, we homo sapiens are in the top rows of the ecosystem; that is, we are one of the ultimate consumers. Upsetting the balance of the ecosystem would be catastrophic, if not dramatic. |
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on 2009-04-20 11:28:32 |
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i think... The more meat we eat, the sicker we get. Meat is poison to us. It's the primary reason we get heart disease, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, and every other major degenerative disease. If eating meat were natural, it wouldn't destroy our health. 
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on 2009-04-20 11:41:55 (edited 2009-04-20 11:47:30)
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Well, that's just looking at it in a narrow-sighted way. If you look at a prime example of the person who gets fat and sick from eating meat, you would see that it is not only the meat that leads to the diseases; rather, it is an unhealthy diet combined with an unhealthy lifestyle (less exercise but more foods gorged down) that leads to those diseases. Do as the Greeks say - Everything in moderation. That is the golden mean. Also, if you look at it that way, then why does the body convert its own muscle mass when deprived of protein? Why does the body "consume" its own muscles to compensate for the lack of meat consumption? In fact, protein deficeincy is a leading cause of illness and death in developing countries; protein-energy malnutrition (PEM) kills 10,000,000 people in the world annually. If we were programmed to be carnivores, then people should be ill immediately after consuming meat, not after a period of time riddled with unhealthy lifestyle choices. Also, please don't get the idea that I'm a biased carnivore. Sure, I love my slice of rib-eye cooked medium-rare, but I consume more vegetables in a week than meat and meat products; I like my broccoli raw and crunchy, thank you very much. |
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Re: Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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on 2009-04-20 14:06:17 |
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@ Duke: Meat's good for us, but too much of it can be bad, after all, everything in moderation after all. ^^ Personally, I've thought of being a vegetarian my self, however at the same time, if I became a vegetarian it wouldn't change a thing, people would still eat meat either way. At the same time, we need meat to survive. Protein's good for the brain. If anyone wants to become a vegetarian, that's great and I whole heartedly support you, as long as you don't criticize or try to change my way of living.  |
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on 2009-04-20 14:29:45 |
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Roflmao. Meat is not a need. Even if you exercise and eat meat in half of your meals, it doesn't mean you won't still get the complications. Because animals have fat, it gets stored in you and clogs your blood flow. There's no amount of exercise that can stop the build up of internal problems. There really is not win/win life style with eating massive amounts of meat or being vegan. And, right. Totally. People are always dying from protein deficiencies all the time, 'cause you know. That's also why people who drink milk grow oh so tall. /Endssarcasm. Really, I don't think vegan is healthy, you limit your body so much. But I, personally, don't eat a great deal of dairy products anyway and I don't have the horrible health problems I used anymore. I've cut back a lot of things. I really only think I eat cheese and that's about it. And I don't think the amount of meat people generally eat, especially being from New Orleans, is healthy at all, but there's really no consistently healthy way to live, otherwise, I would think more people would strive to live that way. No one can see inside of your T i r e l e s s M i n d . |
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on 2009-04-20 15:25:24 |
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That was funny, Edowok. Seriously, I laughed when I read about your doubts regarding protein-energy malnutrition. Then I shook my head. Now, clogging arteries due to fat? That's only with what we call low-density lipoproteins. Like it or not, the body needs other types of fat (ie mono/polyunsaturated fats). Here are a few reasons why: 1. Vitamins A, D, E, and K are only fat-soluble; they can only be digested, absorbed, and transported using fat. 2. Fat, internally, acts as a cushion to the organs and keeps our core body temperature at safe levels. 3. Fat is broken down into glycerol and free fatty acids; the former is broken down by the liver into energy sources. 4. Fat is a buffer against diseases, as the body smartly stores the offensive foreign matter in fat until it is metabolized and excreted from the body. 5. Taking off all the fat in the body is not healthy, as the body needs certain fatty acids that it cannot produce on its own. And have you seen a person suffering from marasmus? A person suffering from marasmus is almost just skin and bone. Why? Because the body uses the meat of its own muscles to compensate for protein-energy malnutrition, and it usually reaches the point of no return, where there is no cure for it, and the person dies. So do your research before comparing PEM with the myth of drinking milk and growing tall. When you think of meat consumption, you always see the overconsumption of the Yanks in America. THAT IS NOT THE IDEALLY HEALTHY MEAT CONSUMPTION. That is something else, something that verges into gluttony. Still, I won't try and convert you into the general belief of the human omnivore. What I am trying to change, though, is the blind eye that you have pertaining to protein-energy malnutrition. It's a big problem for developing countries, and a hard-to-solve one at that. |
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Re: Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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on 2009-04-20 16:23:46 |
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Edowok.....seriously? Yes there are certain meats that you shouldn't eat alot, that are high in saturated fats. I.E.: Red meats. Meat is very much needed, Bash is very much in the right. We see most Americans as Meat headed assholes, or people who don't eat well at ALL! Because our society is full of people who want more, and bigger, and there's supply available. The law of supply and demand. I think your ideas on health are a bit skewed ^^; You need a little bit of everything in order to be truely healthy. |
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Re: Eating Animals: Right or Wrong?
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on 2009-04-21 07:42:35 |
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Alright. Sure. I'm gonna go die from marasmus or some sort of protein deficiency disease because I don't eat meat, I guess. Because I'm being totally deprived of everything my body needs. Rofl, okay. Baiguys. ♥ ♥ No one can see inside of your T i r e l e s s M i n d . |
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on 2009-04-21 10:15:40 |
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Sigh... This is when actions speak louder than words. And action I doth take. /facepalm You're putting some serious spin on my facts. If I were of short temperance, I'd have abandoned all reasoning and submitted. Now, let me ask you something: where do you live? |